May 5, 2011

Osama Bin Laden Has Been Killed

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Early Monday morning I heard the news: "Navy Seals have killed Obama."  Ha.  I knew what they meant.

The view from my chair: my very first thought was that this was a scam.  How convenient.  Any pictures?  No.  Video?  No.  Body?  No, that was dumped in the sea.  Sea?  What sea?  Pakistan has a sea?

The more I watched the various news anchors gloat about Obama and the Special Forces and "the turning point in the war" the more I became convinced I was being lied to.  I've seen Fog Of War, Network, Three Days Of The Condor and Independence Day and I know a long con  when I see it.  Unless I could see the imprint of the bullets, and put my finger into the wounds, I wasn't going to believe it.

But something nagged at me.  Why was I so suspicious?  Why did I need to see the body for myself?  What was it that made me think there was something deeply wrong with the story I was being told?

And then the answer hit me:  I drink too much.  Rum.  And I don't sleep.  I'm also not a very good person.

Did I really need to see the body to believe he was dead?   It was information bias supercharged with arrogance: I'm going to be able to tell it's him? Me?  Really?  Forget about CGI and make up and look alikes-- they could show me a picture of a female puma and say it was bin Laden and my only contribution would be, "damn, dialysis is hard on a mofo."

II.

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.  Ok, I have a problem, but it's not all my fault.

It's impossible to hear the news about his death and not feel some sense of payback; but it's also impossible not to hear the news reporting and not want to punch something electronic.

None of them reported the story.  I don't just mean how much they got wrong, I mean every one of them used it as an opportunity to explain how awesome they were.

Some examples, not too many, you need your strength:

Start with the media outlets and politicians that were fooled by the fake bin Laden death photo.  I'm not concerned that they were duped, fine, female puma, but I am very concerned that they didn't google the photo to see if it was a fake?

Congressman Scott Brown said, "Let me assure you that he is dead, that bin Laden is dead -- I have seen the photos."

Ok, so he was fooled, fine, the guy doesn't work for Adobe.  But why did he then say about the photos, "If it's to sell newspapers or just have a news cycle story, no, I don't think they should be released."  What?  How did he see them, remote viewing?  He saw the photo on the internet just like everyone else-- or does he think he has a secret internet?  Actually, yes: he saw them on his Blackberry, which is totally different.  

What this shows you is that there's an airhead gap between politicians and journalists and the rest of humanity.  They have not yet connected the world of the internet with their own world; yes, they're aware their internet is the same as ours, but they think they're seeing something we can't see by virtue of who they are.  They're privileged.  And they're going to remind you of that special privilege every chance they get, which is why you see so many news reports about news reporters.

I'm exaggerating?  This is what Scott Brown then said, out loud, to people with microphones:

[President Obama] made the ultimate decision and he made a bold decision. I have a handwritten note to him to that effect.

That's where his head is at.  Bin Laden is dead, and he is bragging to the press about a note that he wrote.

The myopia isn't exclusively self-aggrandizing; sometimes it's just ignorant.  This morning, Senator Schumer was interviewed on CNBC "live at the WTC site."   As he's crowing about "yes, we have increased electronic surveillance but there hasn't been another attack," he adds, "remember, right after the attack we were all worried this area would become a ghost town.  Now look at it... young people are moving into high rises."  Do you see?  He thinks the young people are finally over their fear.  But those young people were in high school when 9/11 happened.  They're don't remember it as "yesterday," it was two lifetimes ago, and right or wrong they're not afraid of "another attack" in the way a 40 year old is.  Do you expect a person who has no intuition about "young people" to be able to think long term, for the benefit of three generations out?  If you show him the digits "2097" he gets vertigo and falls down.


III.

Over at basic cable the Mayan Calendar was coming to an end.   CNN jumped at the chance to offer breaking news-- about which they had no actual information, much like its reporting on 9/11.  But you have to fill the time; so they ran a seven page story, only three sentences of which had anything to do with bin Laden's death.  CNN did, however, make up for it by  running a poll:
 
Do you think bin Laden is in Hell, or don't you think so?

a) in Hell
b) not in Hell
c) don't believe in Hell
d) not sure
 

It's been a long time since I infiltrated IVCF to penetrate a girl, but isn't publicly answering this question in the affirmative 1 Cor 4:5 proof that you lack God's grace?  I'll save you the look up: yes.

Fox News was in a full blown existential crisis: "yay he's dead! Whoa-- son of a bitch, Obama gets the credit?"  It was as like a man thrilled that he finally got his hot wife to have an orgasm, but unfortunately it was by letting a black man have sex with her.  That's right, Fox News is a cuckold.   They dutifully gave Obama credit for "giving the order" but reminded everyone that it was Bush era policies (and later waterboarding) that gave us the intel.  See how I said intel?  That makes me sound smart.

Jon Stewart isn't a news guy.  I know this because he keeps telling me he's not a news guy, yet 1.6M people get their news from him and there's is no detectable difference between him and Keith Obamaman.  Here's what Jon Stewart said:

Last night was a good night, for me, and not just for New York or D.C. or America, but for human people.  The--

Stop the tape.  Nobody move, stop, have a drink, I insist you really meditate on the enormity of this man's monologue.  Why is it such a good night?  It has to be duh, right? 

The face of the Arab world in America's eyes for too long has been bin Laden, and now it is not. Now the face is only the young people in Egypt and Tunisia and all the Middle Eastern countries around the world where freedom rises up. Al Qaeda's opportunity is gone.

Ad hominem is not my style, but here it can't be helped: this man is an idiot.  This is what he wants us to believe he believes?  Right before he closes his eyes at night he says to no God,  "phew, now Americans can look at Arabs more realistically?"  Never mind that who he thinks "the young people in Egypt and Tunisia" are bears no resemblance to actual young people in Egypt or Tunisia or anywhere on the planet except his audience, none of whom are in Tunisia, and none of whom will every rise in revolution to fight for freedom, ever.  Not unless Steve Jobs tells them to.

The whole thing, from the politics to the news reporting, is set up not for the conveyance of information or truth but of image and feeling.

IV.

In this content vacuum, in this total avoidance of substance in order to project personal image, how can anyone be faulted for not reflexively distrusting everything they hear?

It doesn't help that the government and media want me to believe it's not staged, that they wouldn't stage it, even as they stage stupid things that don't need to be staged.  When you watch the President give a speech, you're watching him give a speech.  When you see a photo of him giving a speech, you are seeing a photo of him re-enacting the speech he gave-- just for the still cameras.


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"No, you're misunderstanding.  It's not a great system, but the cameras are too loud to use during the actual speech.  There's no other way to get the photo."  No, you're misunderstanding: no one cares about the photo.  Do you really believe we want a fake photo of an event you couldn't attend?  Oh. 


V.

And then there were the slips of the tongue:

"Obama has been killed in Pakistan."

"President Obama is dead."




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It happened enough times for it to be significant, and, as usual, significant in a way that the media missed.

What everyone wanted it to be was evidence of a Freudian slip: an unconscious desire pushing itself into verbal expression.

But that's not what a Freudian slip is, really.  A Freudian slip serves the purpose of discharging energy, either anxiety or desire, whose origin is unconscious.  If Blake Lively is nude and says, "would you mind helping me get dressed?" and the guy responds, "oh, sure, I would love to bone you!" that's not an unconscious desire, that's a perfectly conscious desire that he accidentally said out loud.  If he says it, the unconscious slip isn't that he wants to bone her, but that he wants to tell her he wants to bone her.  In other words, he's scared of her; the slip discharges that anxiety.

Substituting "Obama" for "Osama bin Laden" is straight up cognitive psych, yo.  Substituting a less common word for a more common one is a Freudian slip; a more common word for a less common one is a problem choosing what word to choose for a linguistic unit.   Not

"<man> is dead."

but

"<word for arch-nemesis or bad guy> is <word for expired>." 

In the Mad Lib that is his brain, "Obama" is more accessible for "bad guy" than "bin Laden."  I'll let you work out the implications.


VI.

What's going on that people are so suspicious-- or so sure-- just because it happened during Obama's Presidency?   Grant me that you stick Bush in there, and everyone switches sides.

"People have good reason to be suspicious, the government has a track record of lying to us."  Agreed.  And I don't need to be reminded that Afghanistan has a trillion dollars worth of precious resources like lithium and adamantium that we'll need for future facebook phones. They can't tell us they want that, so they pretend it's for something else.  Right?

But the practical problem is that when we are forced to divine the "real" motivations for politics that changes the behavior of the politicians in unexpected ways: it doesn't make them less likely to wage war for oil and say it's for democracy; it makes them more likely to do it in secret.  Hence your new CIA Director, supporting mercantilism one special op at a time.
 
This is the pattern of abuse.  Your father is manifest superego, if he tricks you or hurts you enough and you don't trust him anymore, then you can't trust anything.  So you either find a proxy for a superego-- a boyfriend, a religion, political ideology, Dianetics-- or you recede into the comfort of narcissism.  You surround yourself with image and images, you create narratives that pretend to explain reality but really protect your individuality ("I see what they're up to, man!") And you rot from the inside out, which is exactly the state of affairs in America.  No outside force can touch us, but they don't need to.  They just need to wait it out.

"Then they should just release the photos so we can trust they're telling us the truth!"  Slow down, Thomas, that won't help your faith, which is the real problem here.  "It's a start."  You're not listening.  Not releasing the photos is getting you in the habit of not expecting photos to be released.   Having terrible information mangled by the news media is getting you used to having terrible information mangled by the media.

Of course I think bin Laden's dead, because I haven't yet lost all faith in "the system," though a lot of people can be excused for being suspicious of a government that cries wolf.

But when you repeatedly elect a government that cries wolf, the problem isn't the government, the problem is you.







Comments

Wait, re: Fox News, this en... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 3:40 PM | Posted by sdf: | Reply

Wait, re: Fox News, this entire event is all about your obsession with projecting your fear of black men onto somebody else? That's it? That's the whole thing? The entire world outside your own head exists to as a target for your projections?

Because if you honestly believe that no intelligence about Al Qaeda was gathered during the eight years prior to 1/20/2009, the only explanation for it is that you're trapped even farther inside your own head than you think they are.

And let's not forget that if OBL had been finished off on GWB's watch, the left would be infinitely less gracious about it than the right is right now. The Leftist Street would have Exploded in Rage. Hell, some of them have done it anyway, simply because GWB is in some way *associated* with opposition to OBL.

So, whatever. Not your finest hour. But definitely, anybody you don't agree with is a racist. Good call there.

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May 5, 2011 3:54 PM | Posted by sdf: | Reply

"It happened enough times for it to be significant"

No it didn't. That's just bullshit. I know sincere Obama fans who made that same slip this week, because they were thinking of both at once, and the two words are one letter and one phoneme different.

"Substituting "Obama" for "Osama bin Laden" is straight up cognitive psych, yo."

It's straight up facile undergrad, is what it is.

"Grant me[?] that you stick Bush in there, and everyone switches sides."

The lefties switch sides, because partisanism is all they are. Righties, however annoying they may be, are at least on our side whether or not their own guy is in office. They're still happy bin Laden is dead, they still think Obama is still the same guy he has been all his public life. Disliking a politician isn't some weird, otherwise-inexplicable fringe behavior, by the way.

You must have noticed that on 9/11, millions of Flyover-Americans who dislike NYC and New Yorkers, nevertheless regarded all NYC residents as "us". Like maybe one preacher said NYC had it coming, and his ratings dropped (Chomsky's popularity didn't budge when he said the same thing; why's that?). But when something bad happens in flyover country, the bluestaters smirk about how those stupid denialist hicks deserved their tornadoes or hurricanes or whatever. That's unless the victims were black, in which case bluestaters a) make up insane racist stories about cannibalism in the Superdome, and b) frantically set about projecting their racism onto whoever else is handy (you did it yourself, remember?), and start bemoaning it as loud as they can (remember?).

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> Fox News was in a full bl... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 4:10 PM | Posted by JKep: | Reply

> Fox News was in a full blown existential crisis: "yay he's
> dead! Whoa-- son of a bitch, Obama gets the credit?" It
> was as like a man thrilled that he finally got his hot wife
> to have an orgasm, but unfortunately it was by letting a black
> man have sex with her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...Yep, that sums it up

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I don't really agree with m... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 4:17 PM | Posted by pyromanfo: | Reply

I don't really agree with most of Crazy "sdf" McRanty's post but section V isn't really that great and kinda distracts from the main point, IMO. I'm not sure that bit really helps the overall article.

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As it turns out, most peopl... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 4:40 PM | Posted by JohnJ: | Reply

As it turns out, most people still put evidence ahead of ideology: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/number-of-birthers-plummets/2011/05/04/AF3GAZxF_blog.html It seems to me that people will generally conform to the evidence when the evidence is strong enough. Although there are always a few crackpots who won't, they are outnumbered. It seems to me that bias, as powerful as it is, isn't really that powerful. It doesn't explain everything. I think it's overrated as an explanation.

And the fact that "Obama" was often improperly used in place of "Osama" probably has more to do with the names being so similar. Which is why a lot of outlets have switched to "Usama".

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May 5, 2011 5:24 PM | Posted by notaddicted: | Reply

I find the announcement itself adequately convincing, even if all the public evidence is quite fakeable. In announcing Bin Laden's death Obama has made a very specific statement about a very specific person. There are three major groups with both the means and motivation to disprove him if he lies: Pakistan, The Taliban, and (highest means but weakest motivation) the United States Military.

Meditating on Jon Stewart's Monologue, I think that he has decided to start satirizing the Democrats.

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<a href="http://2.bp.blogsp... (Below threshold) So many people have photosh... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 7:02 PM | Posted by Kyle: | Reply

So many people have photoshopped fake Fox News tickers that *those* are the photos I most distrust.

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Though I find your criticis... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 8:42 PM | Posted by paul kelley: | Reply

Though I find your criticism of the media as a reflection of the american public laudable lets understand also that despite any willful ignorance on our part, even apathy, concerning the underlying principles which have guided us to the foreign policy actions we've taken we still killed an inglorious basterd here sending the world the proper message of "Hey, you fuck with us, we will take your house, bury your culture, and strip you of your only commerce." Why? Because we can? Oh, and of course, Darwinism comes into play here as well. Not to mention vengeance remains an integral component to human dignity; not for the holy, or the righteous but for the logical.

And such is why I say to those boisterous critics, those who lift their heads and sniff, proclaiming "I will never celebrate a man's death," well, maybe you ought to.

I find it disappointing yet painfully obvious that the critics will stand thumb to nose chiding the celebration of Osama's death. A mass murderer lies Slain and millions the world over scream justice. This is a process called objectification, and its the closest barometer of truth we have.

If Justice has been served it will be the world's people proclaiming it who determine so. Dissidents, however, claim the moral highground. But the moral highground is only a mirage, it is a red herring to conceal their true purpose: the ego boost. You wish to flip on a light switch unveiling a long hallway of shining stairs leading to some greater enlightenment, not for the purposes of enlightening, but for the notoriety associated with discovering the enlightened path. I doubt, however, the contrarians would have been so noisy had the man been instead Hitler, and the year 1945; the blood on the ground was still too red to yield interest to the color of one's herring.

You people are no more than "ego," invited over for coffee and discourse, by us, the objective body, the "superego." You take a seat in our house, our chair, and raise forth a halting palm,

"No thanks, I only drink tea."

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Or he said "Obama" cause it... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 8:49 PM | Posted by Matthew: | Reply

Or he said "Obama" cause it rhymes with "Osama," and when you're throwing both of those names around at high frequency you're bound to switch them up. It's the "She Sells Sea Shells" effect, not some unconscious malarky.

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May 5, 2011 8:50 PM | Posted by Matthew: | Reply

Or he said "Obama" cause it rhymes with "Osama," and when you're throwing both of those names around at high frequency you're bound to switch them up. It's the "She Sells Sea Shells" effect, not some unconscious malarky.

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May 5, 2011 9:58 PM | Posted by aporetic logos: | Reply

"You people are no more than "ego," invited over for coffee and discourse, by us, the objective body, the "superego." You take a seat in our house, our chair, and raise forth a halting palm."

You've forgotten about the id, of which those bacchanals of jingoistic vengeance following OBL's death were near perfect manifestations.

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If you're electing it, it's... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 10:02 PM | Posted by Gamaliel: | Reply

If you're electing it, it's for you?

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Upon hearing the radio repo... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 11:13 PM | Posted by information addict: | Reply

Upon hearing the radio report (we don't watch TV--much)my teenager ran to tell me that "Osama's been shot" and I thought I heard "Obama". I did a double take.

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aporetic logic,how... (Below threshold)

May 5, 2011 11:37 PM | Posted by paul kelley: | Reply

aporetic logic,

how convenient it is to invoke the id to explain the sentiments held by the superego when you speak of vengeance, because vengeance after all shares an equally applicable superimposition of the subconscious desire for pleasure as for the conscious understanding of justice. Well, perhaps, 2 out of 3 aint so bad then.

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@sdf"The lefties s... (Below threshold)

May 6, 2011 10:42 AM | Posted by CubaLibre: | Reply

@sdf

"The lefties switch sides, because partisanism is all they are. Righties, however annoying they may be, are at least on our side whether or not their own guy is in office."

It this a joke? Here's a question: what do Bill Clinton, Noam Chomsky and Paul Simon have in common? The words "left" and "right" mean almost nothing and a segment of people who self-describe as both would be happy to switch sides depending on whose watch bin Laden went down. There are much more real categories of people in play here, for instance "people who will switch sides on an issue based on whether their own guy is in office" versus "people who take a considered stance on an issue regardless of who is in office."

By the way, "righties" do live on the coasts, you know. The southeast has a whole half of an Atlantic coast all to itself. A much more relevant predictor of political views is urban vs. rural, but then you couldn't use cool phrases like "flyover country." For every Nebraskan who felt on 9/11 that New Yorkers were "us" there was a guy in Albany who was saying those fucking city slickers got what they deserved.

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yes, they dumped osamabinla... (Below threshold)

May 6, 2011 11:02 AM | Posted by medsvstherapy: | Reply

yes, they dumped osamabinlatin in the water.
but this is just like that james bond movie where at the beginning they have the burial at sea so everyone things he is dead, but then he has some kind of oxygen mask on, and he swims away and comes back with super spy skills and no memory of who he is wait that's jason bourne. well, anyway - i would have checked the local area for secret submarines around about the time they say they dumped him overboard. usamabinlatin was too good for business. now you know why 17 and a half minutes of the video is missing.

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Senator Scott Brown is a li... (Below threshold)

May 6, 2011 2:04 PM | Posted by Jack Coupal: | Reply

Senator Scott Brown is a lieutenant colonel in the Massachusetts National Guard. He has been in the Army Guard for 30 years. He is in the Judge Advocate General's Corps, providing defense for military defendents charged with crime.

I'm surprised that Alone would think that Brown was just another politician spouting off on a matter of which he has no knowledge.

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THE CIA IS SUPPRESSING THIS... (Below threshold)

May 6, 2011 3:50 PM | Posted by aaron fleszar: | Reply

THE CIA IS SUPPRESSING THIS WITH THE MADE UP BIN LADEN KILLED STORY
EVERYONE WHO STARTED COPYING AND PASTING THIS ON ALL BIN LADEN STORIES YESTERDAY GOT MESSAGE BOARDS SHUT DOWN. WONDER WHY?

Here are some wanted terrorists, some for U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya & Indonesia, look-a-likes for media moguls, CEO’s, and the current administration. This is a large organization of scam artists who ran the last election on Youtube. I've been tortured after reporting this 3 years ago to FBI

All of this was online years before the last election. Search Google Images for;
Mark Joyner Simpleology-FBI Wanted Seif Al Adel (Sarah Palin’s book Palinology)
John Ferrero-FBI Wanted Ramadan Shallah
Yaro Starak-FBI Wanted Umar Patek
Armand Morin FBI Wanted and now “dead” Noordin M Top
Michael Filsaime—FBI Wanted Ali Sayyid Muhamed Mustafa al-Bakri (Die Hard 4 “Fire Sale” The cyber attack on our infrastructure)
Dr. Mani Sivasubramanian-FBI Wanted Ammar Mansour Bouslim
Carl Galletti-FBI Wanted--Ahmed Garbaya, Samir Salwwan
Ted Ciuba-FBIWanted Abdul Rahman Yasin
Jay Abraham- (look a like for Osama’s right hand man Ayman al-Zawahri)
Jay Conrad Levinson- (look a like for George Soros)--key point (mastermind? Proponent for a one world government, collapsing of currencies)
Internet Million Dollars Professor James Bradley- Communist University Professor Bill Ayers (the Pentagon bomber)
Rosalind Gardner-(Jill Biden or look a like)
Stephen Pierce-(look a like-Van Jones “Green Jobs Czar”)
Perry Marshall - (Reverend Pfleger or look a like)
Brett McFall-(look a like for Austan Goolsbee)
John Childers-(look a like for Andy Stern)
Howard L Moreland- (look a like for Michael Moore)
Yanik Silver -(Ex-Google CEO, Sergei Brin look a like)
John Carlton-(look a like for liberalist “the dude” Jeff Bridges)
Youtube’s-Rich Jerk videos-American Airlines Stadium basketball Maverick Mark Cuban (American Airlines flt#77 hit the Pentagon on 9/11)
Youtube’s-Robert Johnson Rich Jerk – Tony Rezko (the guy who sold Obama some of his property, arrested and convicted)
No Money Down Real Estate – Carleton Sheets (Jimmy Carter look a like)
Oprah Winfrey’s galpal Gail King (Whitney Houston(whit_ hous_)look a like)(Has“secret” boyfriend now who looks like Eric Holder)
Lorrie Morgan Ferrero’s Red-Hot-Copy.com blog and website has others associated with the current administration, in addition to 72 Virgin Records Richard Branson, and White House Party Crashers the Salahi’s with Valerie Jarrett’s daughter Laura.

Sarah Palin’s family & history is fabricated using logarithms. She became a media magnet to flush out Barack (O’Bomber) Obama’s entire socialist “organized community.” Her name, Sarah (Barrac)uda) Palin, is short for palindrome, such as SOROS. McCain’s favorite band is ABBA, another palindrome. They both claim to be Mavericks. Palin coined the term “mama grizzly.” Interstate 77 American Airlines Stadium NBA Maverick Mark Cuban was under investigation for insider trading of a search company called Mamma. The first forum to attack and hack me online was FIB Scams 101 with the owner called Mama. On 9/11 American Airlines flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Palin’s daughter “Willow,” is short for Willow Run Airport off I-94, her birthday 7/7/94. “Piper,” also a plane, shares a birthday with Bruce Willis (John McC(l)ane the guy who fights the terrorists in Die Hard.) Sarah’s “siblings” are Heather Heath Bruce and Molly Heath McCa(n)n. “Trig” Palin shares a birthday with congressmen from WI, IL, and MI. “Track” Palin shares a birthday with Adolf Hitler. Obama shares a birthday with Nobel Peace Prize winner Yasser Arafat. “Tripp” Palin appears to have multiple birthdays, like Yasser.

In my strongest opinion, Osama Bin Laden is also a spokesperson, and a look-a-like. Osama represents Obama/Biden (Bi)n La(den.)

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And here I was going out of... (Below threshold)

May 6, 2011 9:22 PM | Posted, in reply to aaron fleszar's comment, by Arno: | Reply

And here I was going out of my way not to read the conspiracy theorist comments on Osama stories...
Conspiracy theories are the most delightfully infectious type of fiction I've ever read, but it feels like a bit of my brain dies each time I read a spiel like that. Definitely a guilty pleasure.

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"But when you repeatedly el... (Below threshold)

May 7, 2011 12:01 PM | Posted by Anonymous: | Reply

"But when you repeatedly elect a goverment that cries wolf, the problem isn't the government, the problem is you."

Well said, but much too simplistic.

When the government has seen to that it's base has been insured and can be propped up by a majority of Supreme Court justices who "legalize" their master's stealing the (Florida) election on the brother's watch, people are up against devious and devilish powers, built into the system, to perpetuate it, regardless of which of it's nephews is "in power" at the moment.

The USA has bankrupted itself, morally and economically. Obama may have secured his reelection by vengeful, nationalistic, reactionary, gullible voters, but will hardly bring fundamental change to systematic injustice and discrimination of the many by the few very rich, their political puppies and the corporate masters.

Who cares about bin Laden, dead or alive? The Bushes, Blairs, Cheyneys, Pentagon & Co'es need him. I suspect his close family cares, a 12 year old daughter, for instance. But there are so many daughters in this world, so many expendable daughters.

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The whole story is pretty m... (Below threshold)

May 7, 2011 12:54 PM | Posted by Red Pill: | Reply

The whole story is pretty much like psychoanalysis: no empirical proof for any of it. Just put some pundits talking about it on television, have something printed about it, wind up on manifestations with a lot of flags.

That will do the trick. The audience is well trained.

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The whole story is pretty m... (Below threshold)

May 7, 2011 12:57 PM | Posted by Red Pill: | Reply

The whole story is pretty much like psychoanalysis: no empirical proof for any of it. Just put some pundits talking about it on television, have something printed about it, wind up on manifestations with a lot of flags.

That will do the trick. The audience is well trained.

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Progressive Governments lie... (Below threshold)

May 7, 2011 3:07 PM | Posted by Jack Coupal: | Reply

Progressive Governments lie to their subjects all the time.

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Goddamn. How depressing. Yo... (Below threshold)

May 7, 2011 8:28 PM | Posted by Jeremy Alder: | Reply

Goddamn. How depressing. Yo.

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May 8, 2011 10:49 AM | Posted by GT: | Reply

""No, you're misunderstanding. It's not a great system, but the cameras are too loud to use during the actual speech. There's no other way to get the photo." No, you're misunderstanding: no one cares about the photo. Do you really believe we want a fake photo of an event you couldn't attend? Oh."

What I don't get is....why not use digital cameras? They are quiet and you can do the same basic job.

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May 9, 2011 1:11 AM | Posted by foolish pleasure: | Reply

so where does this leave me? my first thought, unfortunately voiced out loud, upon learning that bin laden was dead was, "so?"

my second thought, kept to myself, upon the ridicule heaped upon me for having stupidly voiced the first thought aloud was, "there are people who really still think that bin laden really existed--i mean, yeah sure, there may have been some guy in the bin laden clan named osama who ran off to join the mujahadin (sp?)--and be honset, who the fuck wouldn't? that is, admittedly a kick-ass-rock-in-roll fucking name; that's a triple crown winning name, right up there with man o'war (even though he didn't actually win the triple crown, but you take my point)--but does anyone really think that the mr. long-beard-most-uber-bad-man-since hitler-osama bin-laden-lex luther-in-carnate really ever existed? and i'm as leftist as you can get.

i realized 2 things at that moment. 1) i am not like everyone else and this explains A LOT about why my life has been such a sad, sad joke for all these years and 2) i was relieving the moment in the 7th grade, when i learned that people really, honest-to-god, believed in god and all the crap in the bible. up to that point in my life, it had never occurred to me that anyone really believed in that stuff. i still have a hard time believing that they really believe.

for me osama bin laden was just like god, i didn't really believe he existed, but i didn't really care one way or the other TBH. i do care however, if the loch ness monster exists because that would be fucking awesome, at least at first, then the novelty would wear off and it would be like it must have been for cornish serfs learning that elephants really did exist. though i still think that the loch ness monster would be way cooler than god, if both were to show up difinitively, say tomorrow, simply because god would probably be like a human, all crappy and pissy, breading contempt left and right, as we all became more familiar with him (and if the old testament is anywhere near the mark the guy is total tool); whereas the loch ness monster probably can't speak, so he'd still have the allure of other rare, non-mythological animals, and i'd probably watch shows about him on pbs and discovery channel, though hopefully that asshole who made the march of the penguins would leave him alone because that jackass would totally fuck up nessy. anyone who can fuck up penguins..,i mean, come on, that guy should have lost his nature-film-maker-license after that piec eof shit...penguins for fuck's sake, how the hell could he have so royally fucked up penguins...?

so yeah, anyway, not only do i doubt that he was killed, i never really believed he was alive...so...

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You can't handle the truth.... (Below threshold)

May 9, 2011 4:52 AM | Posted by DG: | Reply

You can't handle the truth. Not you specifically, but "you" as in masses. Not only by sharing the truth you let the opponent in on the game, you also cause more problems than you solve.

Take conspiracy theorists over reality vs created reality any day... you will avoid blood in the streets.

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May 9, 2011 11:17 AM | Posted by aaron michael fleszar: | Reply

THE CIA IS SUPPRESSING THIS WITH THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KILLED CONSPIRACY STORY. COPY AND PASTE THIS TO OSAMA BIN LADEN, OBAMA, AND POLITICAL STORIES & WATCH HOW QUICK IT’S DELETED

My name is Aaron Michael Fleszar. When releasing this story last week Yahoo message board comments were shut down, manipulated, and deleted. Posing as internet copywriters and experts, here are some FBI MOST WANTED terrorists, some for U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya & Indonesia.

Mark Joyner Simpleology-Seif Al Adel (Sarah Palin’s book Palinology)
John Ferrero-Ramadan Shallah
Yaro Starak-Umar Patek
Armand Morin-Noordin M Top (said to have been “killed” years ago in Indonesia)
Michael Filsaime-Ali Sayyid Muhamed Mustafa al-Bakri (Die Hard 4 “Fire Sale” the cyber attack on our infrastructure)
Dr. Mani Sivasubramanian-Ammar Mansour Bouslim
Carl Galletti-Ahmed Garbaya, Samir Salwwan
Ted Ciuba-Abdul Rahman Yasin
Willie Crawford-Fazul Mohammed
Shay Patil-Atiyah Abd al-Rahman

The Osama bin Laden dead, killed, conspiracy story is a total hoax to distract you. These people posing as internet marketing experts and copywriters are behind all affiliate marketing education online, mystery shopping, paid surveys, and thousands of get-rich-quick websites. This massive organization also appears to have run the last election on Youtube. After breaking this code and reporting to the FBI, I’ve been relentlessly tortured now for over 3 years.

Want proof that the Osama Bin Laden killed story last week isn’t only a conspiracy, it’s a hoax? Here is a code of LOOK A LIKES for media moguls, CEO’s, and the current administration. Search Google Images for;

Jay Abraham-Ayman al-Zawahri (Osama’s right hand man)
Jay Conrad Levinson-George Soros (collapsing of nations currencies)
Rosalind Gardner-Jill Biden
Internet Million Dollars Professor James Bradley-Bill Ayers (Pentagon bomber)
Stephen Pierce-Van Jones
Perry Marshall-Reverend Pfleger
Brett McFall-Austan Goolsbee
John Childers-Andy Stern
Howard L Moreland-Michael Moore
Yanik Silver-Sergei Brin (Ex Google CEO)
John Carlton-Jeff Bridges (Liberalist “the dude”)
Carleton Sheets-Jimmy Carter
Oprah Winfrey’s galpal Gayle King-Whit_ney Hous_ton
Stedman Gram-Eric Holder
Youtube’s-Rich Jerk videos-American Airlines Stadium NBA Maverick Mark Cuban
Youtube’s-Robert Johnson Rich Jerk-Tony Rezko
The Rich Jerk’s first email to millions promoted Stompernet in Atlanta Georgia with 777 airline pilot Brad Fallon, and Eben Pagan pitching a seminar called Get Altitude. 3 Days after reporting my finding to the FBI, Delta in Atlanta cancelled a large number of flights for “safety reasons”
Lorrie Morgan Ferrero’s Red-Hot-Copy.com website has others associated with the current administration such as; 72 Virgin Records Richard Branson, & White House Party Crashers the Salahi’s with Valerie Jarrett’s daughter Laura.

Here's more proof that the Osama Bin Laden killed story is a conspiracy;

Sarah Palin never existed until months after I contacted the FBI. Her family & history is fabricated using logarithms. She became a media magnet to flush out Barack (O’Bomber) Obama’s socialist “organized community.” Maverick Sarah (Barrac)uda) Palin, is short for palindrome, such as SOROS. Maverick McCain’s likes ABBA, another palindrome. First forum to hack me online was FIB Scams 101 with the owner called Mama. Palin coined the term “mama” grizzly. Under investigation for insider trading of a search company called Mamma, was Interstate 77 American Airlines Stadium NBA Maverick Mark Cuban. On 9/11 flight 77 American Airlines hit the Pentagon. Palin’s daughter “Willow,” is short for Willow Run Airport off I-94, her birthday 7/7/94. “Piper,” also a plane, shares a birthday with Bruce Willis (John McC(l)ane the guy who fights the terrorists in Die Hard.) Sarah’s “siblings” are Heather Heath Bruce & Molly Heath McCa(n)n. “Trig” shares a birthday with 3 congressmen from WI, IL, and MI. “Track” shares a birthday with Adolf Hitler. Obama shares a birthday with Nobel Peace Prize winner Yasser Arafat. “Tripp” Palin has multiple birthdays, like Yasser.

In my strongest opinion, Osama Bin Laden is a conspiracy, a spokesperson, and a look-a-like. Osama represents Obama/Biden (Bi)n La(den.)

WHEN THIS STORY STARTED GETTING COPIED, MESSAGE BOARD COMMENTS GOT MANIPULATED, SHUT DOWN, ALTERED, AND DELETED. THIS CODE IS BEING SUPPRESSED BY CONSPIRACY STORIES OF OSAMA BIN LADEN BEING KILLED. EMAIL AND SHARE THIS WITH EVERY MEDIA ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE THE U.S.

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Considering your post, I'll... (Below threshold)

May 9, 2011 1:59 PM | Posted by Jess: | Reply

Considering your post, I'll have to ask the tough question: Why do you think Osama Bin Laden is dead?

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May 9, 2011 3:26 PM | Posted, in reply to Jess's comment, by DG: | Reply

It doesn't matter, Jess. In the sense that he is as dead to us as can be - even if he is alive, NO ONE will ever see him alive again.

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I think this guy just made ... (Below threshold)

May 9, 2011 3:28 PM | Posted by Anonymous: | Reply

I think this guy just made the greatest point anyone could on this topic. Wow.

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May 10, 2011 3:17 PM | Posted, in reply to aaron michael fleszar's comment, by That Guy Over There: | Reply

Wow. Do you ever actually read what you type?

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May 12, 2011 3:26 AM | Posted by Anonymous: | Reply

Fact: I approve of you almost solely because you are dismissive and scathing toward both extremes of the political spectrum (admittedly with a slight liberal leaning, but then I have that too)
At least you aren't blindly following someone because of the color of their lapel pin.

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May 14, 2011 7:47 AM | Posted by Westin: | Reply

I gather you're bipolar and not a real psychiatrist.

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May 15, 2011 9:24 AM | Posted by someone: | Reply

"But when you repeatedly elect a government that cries wolf, the problem isn't the government, the problem is you."

Pretty much all politicians are the same, so what is anyone supposed to do about this? Even Obama -- seemingly the polar opposite of Bush, bringing Hope and Change -- turned out to be the same as anyone else. Politicians exist to fuck people over, that's what they do. That's their job description. There's nothing that can be done about it.

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May 15, 2011 10:36 PM | Posted by Kimchi: | Reply

Obama was never ever the polar opposite of Bush. It was astounding that people seemed to thin so.

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May 16, 2011 9:46 PM | Posted by someone: | Reply

Did you really not notice the word "seemingly"?

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May 22, 2011 9:28 PM | Posted by aaron fleszar: | Reply

The Death of Bin Laden and the Illuminati Conspiracy

My name is Aaron Fleszar and I’d like to expose, with your help, the largest conspiracy in world history. Most people don’t believe in conspiracies or conspiracy theories, I know because I was one of them. The thing about a conspiracy is it cannot be proven, if it could, it wouldn’t be a conspiracy. I will try and make this as simple as possible so that you can follow my logic and likely reach the same conclusions.

What do we know about Osama Bin Laden that we haven’t been told by the media? We know that he is a spokesperson for Al-Qaeda. Once or twice a year, this guy appears in video, pointing his finger, from a tape that mysteriously gets sent to the Al-Jazeera network. If Osama Bin Laden is only spokesperson, and not a mastermind, who makes up the organization behind him?

Even a president is only a spokesperson. A president surrounds himself with an administration that advises him. There is always a force behind a president with an agenda. Sometimes that agenda is known, sometimes it’s not.

Are we being mislead by Osama Bin Laden and the organization behind him? Could Osama be the spokesperson for a New World Order, the richest people in the world who would like to take over the government? Could Osama be a distraction, and a catalyst, for starting an endless war on terror, increasing defense department spending, lining the pockets of defense contractors, and driving up the price of oil?

Could the attacks on 9/11 be attacks against capitalism? Is Al-Qaeda or New World Order’s goal to destroy capitalism? Would destroying capitalism allow the richest people in the world a chance to implement socialism, get wealthier by collapsing the dollar, and allow them to institute a one world currency, only to enslave the rest of the world to their New World Order government?

Everyone knows that something happened on 9/11 that is being covered up, but what is it? Is it that planes didn’t collapse 2 buildings which fell with precision as if they were being brought down by a controlled demolition? Is it that no one ever talks about the third building which collapsed that never got hit by an airplane? Were the planes nothing more than misdirection, or an illusion, created by Al-Qaeda/New World Order, also known as “the Illuminati?”

Written across thousands of get rich quick scams online there is a code. Al-Qaeda or NWO appears to be using the internet to take over all e-commerce and media. Several people making up this code are look a likes for people associated with the current administration, in addition to media moguls, and CEO’s.

Several of the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists make up this code online. They are wanted for US embassy bombings in Kenya, Obama’s family’s birthplace, and Indonesia, a place where Obama spent many years as a child.

What’s interesting about the organization of scam artists online, who literally own the internet, is that this same group of marketing experts ran the last election on Youtube. Could the organization behind Osama Bin Laden be the New World Order Illuminati? Could the organization behind the election of Obama, be the same group? Could Osama be the look a like to represent Obama, and Biden, Bi(nla)den?

It’s not a conspiracy when it’s taking place right in front of you. There is just an overwhelming amount of misinformation to try and prevent you from connecting the dots. Keep in mind that the Illuminati, or New World Order, are masters at illusion.

It’s important for the future of America that you tell others immediately about this website. Email, text, and Twitter everyone you know and tell them to read this website. When enough people start demanding honest answers, we will finally learn the truth to what really happened on 9/11.

Thank you for reading this,
Aaron M Fleszar

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May 24, 2011 8:36 AM | Posted by Dr. Balls: | Reply

Why do people feel the need to post six page long comments on your site? Does anyone actually read those? I know I don't. I come to read the post, not the half-wit political responses.

Site's great, by the way.

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May 25, 2011 7:57 PM | Posted by Wowwed: | Reply

This is the first time I've been to your site (linked in through CNN comments) and all I can say is wow. I learned more about the news, and myself, from this post than pretty much anything else I've ever read. Don't stop writing.

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May 30, 2011 10:31 PM | Posted, in reply to aaron fleszar's comment, by Anonymous: | Reply

Sit tight, we're sending a car around your Brookshire address for debriefing.

If you don't see our car within the hour, leave a message with Bolton at 726-0406.

Your passphrase is "nightmare".

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June 4, 2011 2:21 PM | Posted by Kill Dr. Pill: | Reply

Usama dead? HA HA HA HA HA HA AH HA ....

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Some time ago, I needed to buy a house for my business but I didn't earn enough money and couldn't buy anything. Thank heaven my mate adviced to try to take the loans at reliable bank. Thence, I did so and used to be satisfied with my bank loan.

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March 22, 2012 7:24 AM | Posted by Alec Janes: | Reply

I don't know how to say this, so I'm just going to blurt it out: identifying unknown phone numbers involves consulting a good cell phone number lookup directory.

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March 29, 2012 6:33 PM | Posted by HeliOXX: | Reply

Why do people feel the need to post six page long comments on your site? Does anyone actually read those? I know I don't. I come to read the post, not the half-wit political responses. forfait mobile - forfait sans engagement

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March 29, 2012 10:22 PM | Posted, in reply to HeliOXX's comment, by Anonymous: | Reply

That's pretty big talk for someone advertising French cell phones service. *They're* annoying, whereas you think you're performing some sort of vital community service?! Tres mal.

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March 18, 2013 12:41 PM | Posted, in reply to JohnJ's comment, by Atarii: | Reply

I think your statement smacks of naivete.
Simply look at evolution and how it directly ignores two evidences:

1. Spontaneous generation (life from non-life) is ignored. Even if it could happen, we know of no way, and thus, until evidence is presented to demonstrate, evolution is still an unfounded idea.

2. Genetics. The environment does not change the DNA of a creature. Micro evolution is "variation within a species," and people think macro evolution is just that, but MORE, but that doesn't work for a very simple reason: Micro evolution is a loss of genetic information, not a gain. When a mutt is bread into a Chihuahua, it did not evolve and gain new information, it simply LOST dominate genes and began expressing recessive genes, losing genes in the process. You cannot keep losing until you gain something.

It's THAT simple, and despite that very simple yet crushing evidence against evolution, hundreds of thousands of people still believe it.
Why?
Bias.
Consider this: If people would say, "Hey, evolution is probably true, but there are laws of physics it would have to ignore, so I cannot be adamant," then we would all be rational human beings.
Instead, it MUST be true, and anyone who says otherwise is a crazy crackpot Christian!

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