September 23, 2008

Teenage Girls May Be Having Oral Sex, But The Problem Is You

I sincerely pity the current generation of teens who have to live in a world containing the current generation of adults.


As you are no doubt aware, teenagers today are out of control.

Time Magazine writes in A Teen Twist On Sex,

Americans have plenty of opinions about teenage sexuality. What they don't have are many hard facts.

Funny, I was just thinking that exact thing when I read this article that was free of any hard facts.

They did talk about a study that 

finally offered solid data about what real kids are doing at home after school, in the back of the car and between the sheets.

Do tell!  (Oh, wait, that's my kid!)

government researchers fanned out across the nation in 2002, surveying 12,571 Americans ages 15 to 44... More than half the adolescents surveyed, for example, said they had engaged in oral sex (and their claims are fairly credible, since the questions were posed not face to face by an adult interviewer but through a specially designed computer program).

Has anyone actually met a teenager?  Was anyone ever a teenager, that can remember?

How is this study credible?  I get that talking to a live interviewer may make you hesitant about telling him how many guys you've oraled-- yes, that's a word.

But didn't I read in the Panopticon that people are more honest when they think they are being observed?  Answering questions in front of the computer skews the answers the other way, it doesn't make you say things that are true, it makes you say things that are true for you.

Teens are narcissists, but this is (usually) completely age appropriate.  They try on different identities, figuring out who they are;  but they cling tightly to each one, defend it zealously.  (Try pointing out to an emo kid he's a white suburbanite whose Dad is an accountant.)

And part of the teen identity is that they are "older than their years."  They know more about life, and sex, "than you think I do."  A kid may never have even had sex-- but he's imagined it, a lot-- and to a narcissist, imagining is enough.  A kid can truly believe he/she is an expert in oral sex-- knows exactly the best way to do it-- even though he/she hasn't ever actually tried it.  Because they've "practiced" it a million times...

When the question is, "have you ever performed oral sex?" the answer is going to be yes.  And no lie detector is going to disagree, because in his mind, he has. 


Here's another idiocy:

it's tempting to theorize, as James Wagoner of the Washington-based nonprofit organization Advocates for Youth does, that the abstinence-only movement hasn't prevented sex but has simply pushed teenagers away from intercourse and toward a practice that for some reason they don't think of as real sex. Says Wagoner: "The abstinence-only chickens are coming home to roost."
You can almost see this nut gloating, another blow to the Bush/Cheney Regime!  Though by his own admission kids are avoiding intercourse, hmm, doesn't that count for something?  Or should we just go back to penetration?

But in almost the next breath, he admits that there's no way to prove that link or even to say for sure whether oral sex is on the rise.
I see.  So it's not clear they are having more oral sex after all?  Didn't they do a study on that, which was the point of this article?  Perhaps Wagoner should go and read the actual study, instead of wait for his cronies to feed him anti-Bush soundbites?

The article purposely conveys the impression that teens are up to no good, internet style.  (What site?)  Interestingly, the article failed to mention what are probably the study's most important findings:

...Trend data for males suggest that no large changes in these behaviors have occurred since 1995.

...The findings appear to be similar to previous surveys conducted in the early 1990's.

...These findings are similar to data collected in 1992 by Laumann et al.

Oh.  Plus ca change, or something.


But there's a bit of a twist: that article is from 2005, and not obviously so.  You get to it by reading the current article The Truth About Teen Girls and it's one of the "Related Articles."  So a not at all accurate or informative 2005 article is used reinforce the soundbites and the memes in the mind of the unaware reader, e.g.

...teen girls are getting very liberal with sexual favors, especially of the type detailed in the Starr report. In one generation, girls seem to have moved from Easy-Bake to easy virtue.

Wow, any data on that?  Or that the Easy Bake Oven generation was pure?  That's certainly  not how I remember it.

And as if on cue, the media deliver a new 90210 with an oral-sex scene in the first episode; Gossip Girl comes back with billboards promoting it as MIND-BLOWINGLY INAPPROPRIATE ... and your daughter starts singing that alarmingly suggestive song about licking a lollipop.

What's missing from the discussion about teenagers is the fact that the discussion is being had by adults.  That makes this all a discourse-- the vocabulary, the concepts, are specific and convenient for the discussants, not the discussion.  They're artificial.  And they're completely inaccurate.   You didn't buy it when you were a teenager, and you're not going to be able to sell it now that you're not.  Adults see a teenager dress a certain way, and they call it sexy-- but the teen may have an entirely different explanation.  One psychologist quoted in the article got it exactly right:

"There's a whole other piece that we don't talk about," says Tolman, "which is holding the people who are reacting to these young girls accountable." When tweens see a picture of Cyrus with her back bare and her hair tousled, they don't see her as postcoital. That's an adult interpretation.
The problem isn't that the kid is too sexy; the problem is that adults are too turned on.

Do you know how many of these singers are into chastity and promise rings-- and yet these are the people accused of being too sexy.  Katy Perry's hit song is about kissing a girl-- does that sound like the song of a generation of teens already bored with threeways?

The "sexiness" to them means something different then it does to adults.  And something different to adults then it did to previous adults.

When they dress sexy, that might be a different kind of signal to toehr kids that has nothing to do with sex.  "Yeah, but adults see it as sexy, and they get the wrong idea."  Hmm.  Perhaps the problem is with adults?

Here's an example: the article references the "alarmingly suggestive" song about licking a lollipop (which I assume is Lil Wayne's Lollipop.)  But kids aren't responding to the sexuality of the song-- check out any message board, they all talk about the rhythm and the beat and the fact that the song isn't really about sex-- not in the way any Motley Crue song is about sex, not in the way Aqua's Lollipop is about sex-- the song is about status.   Rich is the new porn.  In  the video those two guys Lil Wayne is playing poker with, in their house, are the Maloof brothers (owners of the Sacramento Kings, The Palms Hotel, etc.)  You think that's an accident?  Lil Wayne couldn't find a strip club to film in, so this was a hastily assembled Plan B?


Adults trying to interpret kids' behaviors using adult concepts often leads to...misunderstandings.  But adult narcissists-- for that is exactly what this generation is-- can no more understand "kids today" then the honor killer can understand that he's retarded.

My father's generation liked to remind us how they had nothing to eat but potatoes, walked to school in the snow uphill both ways, dodged Axis soldiers, "but we still shined our shoes every night!"  etc.  I find it fascinating/nauseating that my generation's version of "the hard old days" is this: "oh my God, when I was a kid, if I started yelling in a toy store like that, my Dad would've beat the crap out of me, right there."   Wow.  Just like dodging Axis soldiers.  Even stand up comics use it as the segue, "kids are so soft they die if you leave them in the car" and "we need to start beating our kids more!"  Why?  Look around you.  This is the result.  Maybe beating kids isn't such a good idea, just based on review of the outcomes.

Further studies are needed, but anecdotal evidence suggests that all of the current problems-- financial disaster, war in Iraq, the need for war in Iraq, 50% divorce rates, increasing racial tensions, worthless college educations, the rise of feudalism-- are not the fault of teenagers, but adults.  Though teens are an easy scapegoat, I'll admit.

I am aware that raising teens is hard, and the possibility that some may be performing oral sex.   But while it's awesome that we're worrying about the children who are the future of America, we should spend some time worrying about the adults that are its present. 

They are, in fact, the ones that suck.



I remember this same hand-w... (Below threshold)

September 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Posted by Jim: | Reply

I remember this same hand-wringing being a frequent news topic when growing up in the 80s. Given two hours in the library, I'm willing to bet a nearly identical article could be found in Time's annals from that era.

It's bad enough to think you're the only kid in school not having sex because all your peers lie about their exploits. It's even worse when all the adults assume you're having sex because Time magazine says so.

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September 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Posted by Smart Duck: | Reply

I don't challenge your interpretation of the Time article, but it is undeniable that there is a enormous change in the sexualization of teen entertainment, at least from my time (I am 40) to now. I don't say that teens are learning about sex from TV and music, but definitely teens now base their social rank solely on how sexual attractive and active they are. Some time ago, a girl who performed oral sex would be shunned as a slut. There was much more emphasis on other status characteristics such as congeniality, ability in sports, having a bike, etc. Now it is all about the ostentation of sexual allure: from the clothing to how many boys they have blown, to how many bad words they say for minute.
Just the other day I passed by this upper middle class girl teenage who was saying "f**k"and "c**k" very loud. I thought just like you: she doesn't even know what a c**k inside her feels like, she is just trying to be cool. But it doesn't matter! Even if she starts having sex at 17, like her mother 20 years ago, and has the same number of oral sex acts, the problem is in the perspective she has of sex. Not as a part of a relationship, as a individual sentimental experience, but as part of her status rank and coolness in the world.
That's the aspect I think neither the article nor you are touching.

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September 24, 2008 12:59 PM | Posted by FunkStyles: | Reply

Duck, you're doing the same thing as Time... you can't ignore things like promise rings and the straightedge movement, just because it's more sensationalist to be personally offended by something you heard that really isn't that different from what happened in your generation. Go back a decade, or two, or three, and tell me that, say, high school movies (written by the adults of the day, about the teenagers of the day) don't show just as much cheapening sexuality, or pursuit of sex for its own sake. If you're 40, then Fast Times at Ridgemont High came out when you were 14... how did you feel about it at the time, and what did your parents think of it?

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September 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Posted, in reply to Smart Duck's comment, by Pete: | Reply

Smart Duck, I think you just proved his point. Remember "I touch myself" from the Divinyls? Whole Lot of Love by Led Zeppelin? 80's hair metal? Music has always been about money and sex. Kids have always been ranked by sexual attractiveness and they've always screamed curses out in front of adult strangers when the adults that could get them in trouble weren't around. I know I did. I also know that I'm getting older now (mid-thirties) so I notice it more when the younger kids do it.

I think TLP hit the nail on the head. We're judging kids by our standards rather than trying to understand what the true impact is. Even worse, it's hypocritical because we certainly didn't live up to our own standards when we were kids.

The only thing I disagree with is the idea that anything has really changed. Every generation since the beginning of humanity believed that the world was coming to an end and the kids these days are little monsters. Narcissism is nothing new. We can argue whether it's worse now than before, but I doubt it and the free market utopia where everyone pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and looked reality in the face never existed.

On the other hand the world has never been so rich, we've never had such freedom of communication, never had such widespread access to good medicine and poverty is slowly easing. The world is not perfect, but we will meet these challenges as best we can and pull through like we always have.

The "good old days" are those that are so far back that we forget all the bad stuff about them.

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September 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Posted by crescentdave: | Reply

I'm so old, I think much of the "new" sexuality is about rebellion and establishing an identity different from parent. For some reason, a "Time-like" word is swirling around my brain: meta-sexual. Whereas I see a hyper-sexualized appearance, I think teens see as evidence of an independent, powerful, desirable adult.

It's no more or less shallow than emulation of a spliff-smoking, white rastafarian or gated-community rapper. Signs and symbols of rebellion serve the process of individuation and provide the patina of adulthood.

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September 24, 2008 4:01 PM | Posted by xon: | Reply

Bravo. Just Bravo. (I might even let my 14 year old daughter read this. . .)

And Smart Duck, those 'other status characteristics' didn't matter then, either. You just thought they did.

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September 24, 2008 4:07 PM | Posted by bryon: | Reply

Great last laugh.

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September 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Posted by Anonymous: | Reply

Why on earth would you read Time anyway?

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September 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Posted by Smart Duck: | Reply

Wow, what a bashing I got. Maybe because I forgot to say I am in Brazil. Maybe the US was just more down the hill in the past than Brazil, so you don´t see much of a difference. Things are radically different here from 20 years ago.
I agree that maybe 80% of the sexual focus in teens come from hormones and has been the same throughout the ages. But there is a huge difference on how you act on these feelings.
20 years ago, there was no "rave" parties where 15 year-old girls would make out with 10 boys in one evening. Girls didn´t dress as sluts, with jeans hanging from the middle of their butts or short blouses showing belly. 15 year olds didn´t give blow jobs (I know, I tried hard to make them). 15 year olds didn´t drink one bottle of vodka among 3 girls before going out, so they could be bold and get more boys.
Is it all because of the media? Probably not, and certainly not because of Gossip Girl. I guess the materialism, the competitive spirit, the lack of solid, clear objectives in life, lack of parental direction, this all combined is responsible for making sex the ONLY guideline for status and meaning in life.
20 years ago, girls dreamed of being teachers, doctors. Now 90% of them want to be models.
Come on, guys, this is all true and you know it. The evidence is all anedoctal, so there is no scientific way to prove it, but it is so clear.
The implications are also clear: wrecked unidimensional relationships focused on sex, objectivication of the partner, lack of interest and enthusiasm for study, hard work or lonely efforts required by things such as science, engineering, etc., prolonged adolescence because of fixation on sex as a measure of success, etc.
This is what I would like to see discussed.

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September 27, 2008 12:36 PM | Posted by Xenophon Hendrix: | Reply

I'm 43. For the past fifteen years or so, I've believed that teenagers have been behaving somewhat better than my generation did. Most adults just like to complain about teens. If you look at some old movies or television shows, adults were complaining about "the kids these days" fifty years ago.

To the extent that the data about teens has been getting worse, I suspect it is a result of the large number of low-skill immigrants the US has been receiving. It's hard to show improvement in education, for example, if you country is taking in millions of poorly educated persons.

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September 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Posted by BipolarBunny: | Reply

If sex is the only thing that kids use these days to measure thier status that is the fault of adults. I am 26 now and I am assuming that things/expectations of parental involvement haven't changed all that much in the past 8 years since it doesn't seem teenagers mile stones and units of measure of status haven't changed much. The problem is that me and most of my friends were all very ill prepared by our parents to know there are other ways to measure ones status, other things to astrive too and since they didn't teach us shit about even how to balance a checkbook or the importance of saving money, how credit works, going to school, and were too busy persueing thier own sexuality (ie most people I know have parents that are divorced and they went thru a period of being neglected because either one or both parents were pursueing new sexual partners)... well what do they expect of thier teenage children when they have shown them that the person who makes themselves the most sexualy attractive to them is the one who gets the attention?
With the divorce rate what it is, and that obviously leads 90% of the time to parents searching for and trying out new "partners" at the expense of thier child... and they are all too busy with thier own sexuality to take the time to teach thier kids that anything other than sex is important or bother to spend any time with thier kids when the other option is to go get laid/go on a date... and they are suprised that thier kids spend most of thier efforts on looking sexy and being outwardsly sexy, not just doing it behind closed doors.

When the pattern is "mom only makes us dinner when she's had a fight with her boyfriend" and "dad only comes home when he can't get a date", how can kids come to believe that anything other than sex is important? Obviously they aren't important, and mom/dad wasn't important because he/she didn't act/dress/remain sexy enough. When not even a family dinner and feeding your kids is as important as your boyfriend... ??? I dunno.

Even if kids aren't actually having more sex or giving more blowjobs etc than they have for generations, they surely are advertising it more, or at least the media has caught on to what thier issues are and is doing a good job of helping them advertise it, I'll agree with that and that's no mistake. They're doing it because the reality is that it's not in the kids world where this belief that sex is the most important thing originated, it's what they have been taught by the actions of thier parents. SO they advertise their sexuality and sexual abilities in a desperate attempt to become that one thing that they know is the most important, at least more important than them hans the hyper sexuality. And they do it in hopes that they can become important enough to one person that they are more than just an after thought.

The kids aren't the problem, the tv and the music isn't the problem, it's mom and dad breaking up and ending up trying to relive thier youth through sexual encounters. The boring old marriage wasn't exciting enough for them anymore, it was making them feel old, they deserve more than that, so what about the kids, staying in a long term relationship was too much work and no fun. So when the kids see thier parents, adults, "re-living thier youth", putting sex befor the family, what conclusion do you think they come to about what being an adult is all about. What they should astrive to to become relevant and powerful in the adult world?

The parents are being selfish and shallow and don't even have the time to spend with thier kids trying to teach them about the other things in life that are important. They think kids are not smart enough to understand adult things, they're immature, that's why they are so difficult to deal with and so rebellious. It's too much work to try and create a relationship with your kids where they respect you enough to sit down and listen to your advice, you've got a life of your own, you've got a boyfriend/girlfriend that wants to see you five nights a week, it's hot, it's your #1 priority right now because, well, you desreve it, but then you get pissed at you teenage daughter when she trys to leave the house wearing a micro-skirt, and you curse MTV and think "these kids these days, all they think about is sex, how can I ever get thru to her?".

I dunno dipshit, maybe grow the f*ck up and get your priorities straight, act in a way that makes you deserving of your kids respect, maybe then it wont be so hard to get thru to them. You don't have to be so obvious about having a GF or BF, you don't have to spend most nights with them and be resentful when your kids get in the way of that. Yeah maybe it is just that you're kid is such a dumbass, but you'll never know and you'll never give them a chance to be anything but for the next 8 opr 9 years as they grow into adults and maybe even beyond that into "adulthood"/an extended adolescence... well you're not giving them much of a chance if you live your life as if you're the only one who matters and make it more than obvious to them that the only thing that really matters to you is your sex life. You're turning your children into sex objects without even realizing it, it's the conclusion they are forced to come to, that they must be sexy if they are ever to be important to another person. But you're all too damn selfish to even see this very obvious process, you don't want to have to come to that conclusion because that would mean you would have to make changes to your behavior and your life in order to be a good influence on your kids, so you blame it on the media yet continue paying for cable and sexualy explicit CDs, cause if you stopped doing that and the behavior continued you really might have to admit that it's something other than the big bad media and pop-culture that's driving your kids to act like slutts and be proud that they're seen that way.

Parents become more and more selfish with each generation in this country. You want an explaniation for the insane divorce rate, it's selfishness pure and simple. It's people not wanting to have to work that hard and feeling entitled to move on to greener pastures any time they get bored or frustraitd for too long. They shouldn't have to put up with this shit, shouldn't have to do this, shouldn't have to do that, they're only human, too much is expected of them, other people are having fun they should be able to have fun to. It's all this assumptive "things should be this way and they shouldn't be that way, so I am going to live my life according to those shoulds and f*ck the consequences and the way things actually are, they shouldn't be that way so I am not going to accept them."
should's and shouldn'ts are the root of most of our problems, people are rejecting reality in favor of persueing a fantasy world where they act "as if" instead of "because that's the way life is". So since kids shouldn't be such a pain to raise, shouldn't need so much attention, shouldn't get between you and having fun, shouldn't advertise thier sexuality etc etc., you act as if this is the way things are and fail to see the way things actually are and thus the reasons why they are this way.

It's sad but many adults whom may or may not be parents, they really are still kids who live in a fantasy world and can't see the difference between what they think they know, how they want things to be, and what they actually know and how things actually are. I don't know if that is narcassistic or if it's just an extreem form of optimisms that lead to a state of delusion.

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December 2, 2008 10:47 AM | Posted by La BellaDonna: | Reply

For what it's worth, the articles in Time and other magazines are a little late out of the gate - the same things were written in Egyptian hieroglyphics and Roman graffiti about the next generation, yet here we all are.

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that SmartDuck is a guy, because most women wouldn't post anything quite as hysterically funny as "... 20 years ago .... Girls didn´t dress as sluts, with jeans hanging from the middle of their butts or short blouses showing belly." Dude, have you ever looked at a single headline on a single fashion magazine in your life? The clothes that shock you so much ARE the clothes we were wearing 20 years ago! Fashion has been recycling itself for years. And don't give me that oh, not in Brazil - Brazil prides itself in being in the fashion forefront and has for years. Brazil, as far as I know, is the only country in the WORLD where the poor have nearly as much access as the rich to cosmetic surgery, and where cosmetic surgery regularly starts when people are in their 20s, if not younger. Please note, I don't say it's a BAD thing, because, in fact, I don't think it is. I'm more concerned, not because the young women are indulging the young men orally, but because as far as I've been able to determine, it's not reciprocal. The boys aren't taking care of the needs of the girls, and the girls don't seem to realize that that is neither equitable nor fair - nor that it may lead to some real problems with long-term relationships when they are ready for those. I'm much more concerned with what Bipolar Bunny had to say, because I actually agree with her/him. (Sorry, Bunny, don't know which). I may express myself differently, I may spell differently, I may type differently - I agree wholeheartedly. I watched this happen; watched a mother who was so caught up in her relationship dramas that her daughter was ignored, relegated to the sidelines, and, worse, involved in some of the drama. You don't do that with kids. I'm sorry, when you have kids, the obligation is to looking after the kids first. If that thought doesn't appeal to you, you become an aunt or uncle, or a Big Brother/Big Sister - you don't become a parent, because it IS a full-time job. That concerns me a whole lot more than the natural sexual experimentation of teens.

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December 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Posted by EMR: | Reply

I'm a year late, but this entry and some of the comments are dead-on. The "kids these days" gripes and feigned concerns are such crap. The ignorance and hypocrisy is frustrating, sure, but more significantly, it's incredibly insulting to young people.

Smart Duck says "20 years ago, girls dreamed of being teachers, doctors. Now 90% of them want to be models."

A statement that ludicrous should be dismissed, but I just can't help myself. Will you school your children or grandchildren at home? Will you refuse medical care from your future geriatrician or cardiologist?

As has been said already, any teenager that does act out for sexual attention or admiration is a) doing what every hormonal teenager has always done, and b) working purely within the parameters set by their parents generation.

The 7:00 morning network tv shows touch on news for a while, but by 8:00, after the "kids" have left for school, the focus turns to "the hot new fashions," or the latest winner of America's Next Top Model.

The "kids these days" aren't driving the "Cougar" trend, or the ridiculous "anti-aging" industry.

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June 29, 2009 5:00 PM | Posted by DrMRNS: | Reply

Late, as ever, to the party... but, uh... maybe I missed something here. Did we all take a vote and decide that it's *bad* for 15 year olds to have oral sex? And even if it *is* "bad" or socially undesirable or not in keeping with whatever it is we're being in keeping with -- then if half of kids *don't* do it, what's the four-alarm fire all about?

Were the teens in the study busy going down on 50 year old English teachers? One assumes that they were maybe just enjoying themselves with other teens.

And before we all get our high dudgeon on, yes, I have children. Yes, they are teen agers. Yes, one of them is a girl. And yes, I can truly say that I'm comfortable with allowing my teens to make decisions about sex and drugs and drinking for themselves. Largely because I trust them and have spent a great deal of effort trying to give them information and help them understand the consequences of their choices. Some choices I'll feel great about. Some choices I won't agree with. BFD. That's life.

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August 4, 2009 5:44 PM | Posted by Cecilie: | Reply

I always roll my eyes at articles such as this, decrying the decaying moral standards of young people of today. The outrageous behaviour of young people has always been an issue of offense to their elders, from time immemorial, and I don’t think it’s going to change anytime soon.

(Also, I consider it fairly hypocritical that the generation of my parents, the one now raging at teen sexuality, is the same that attended Woodstock and hailed a new world order of peace and free love. Compared to that, my generation has been positively restrained.)

“The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress.”
~Peter the Hermit, 1274
“What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?”
~Attributed to Socrates, around 400 BC.

So, teenage morals have apparently been decaying steadily for 2,500 years now, and yet civilisation as we know it has not collapsed into carnal anarchy. I think we’ll be fine. ;)

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August 4, 2009 9:36 PM | Posted by Jack D: | Reply

Bad or not ...where were these teenage girls when I was 15? I was to busy playing ring and run...yeah I admit it. Now I really feel like I missed a big bus in my teenage years...=(

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December 10, 2009 10:39 AM | Posted by 90210 Episodes: | Reply

Hi, i just thought i'd post and let you that your blog looks a bit crazy on the Dinct browser. Anyhow keep up the good work.

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June 9, 2010 3:15 PM | Posted by Anonymous: | Reply

Maybe our society has been decaying for the past 2,500 years.

Anyhow, I guess the sun will explode in so many years and end this pointless social experiment anyway.

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January 21, 2011 12:12 AM | Posted, in reply to Smart Duck's comment, by Val: | Reply

I say cock and fuck a rather large amount, I'm in my 20s and did that when I was in high school. We just loved sex jokes, all jokes really and sex jokes just had that extra funny. I went to a school with a pretty large number of pregnant girls, inner city, not great, but even then and now you're still a slut if you brag about blow jobs and have random sex with multiple partners and cheat.

But I do agree about lying on surveys. Those were such bullshit. My high school was just about entirely hispanic, mexican-american, southern, and we would be pulled out to take those things. We aren't idiots, we read the first few questions specifically asking about race and gender and immigration and then the following questions about sex, drugs, parties, etc. I lied on mine, said I'd never even known what pot or alcohol or a cigarette was. I know a lot that looked around and did the same, hell shouted out "LET'S ALL WRITE WE'RE THE BEST TEENS EVER" just to fuck up the stereotype. Also a lot of wannabe punks saying "nah, let them know we're a bunch of badasses!". So there's your survey. We know you want us to tell you we do a bunch of drugs, have tons of sex, whatever, so we give it to you in the surveys.

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December 26, 2013 1:56 AM | Posted by J: | Reply

Here's a good rule of thumb for the historical understanding of sexuality.

It's prevalent and almost universal. The less you see it the more it's happening. In the Middle Ages under the Church Militant people would fuck in the streets. They had so many laws against it because it happened so much. The inverse doesn't happen now that we have fewer laws against it, but that's because people are sex machines.

I agree that some of the ways in which we form images of sexuality, as subject-object or object-object or subject-subject problems, are socially constructed. But much of it is biological. For the poster who said girls who acted slutty used to be treated as sluts back in the day, that's still true. Many girls aren't slutty and still dream of professions.

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